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Watchtower Propaganda

by JosephAlward in

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many have argued that articles in awake!

in recent years show that watchtower was letting itself be told what do by the purple beast, namely, promote the united nations in its writings.

i can understand how many might quickly find support for this claim, for there are, indeed, many articles in awake!

Trevor Scott

Until I see better evidence, I will not believe, for example, that the Watchtower submitted an application or reapplication form on which they agreed to accept the aims and goals of the UN...
Thus, it is not true, as so many were claiming, that the Watchtower accepted in secret the aims and goals of the UN; all they did was allow the UN to believe whatever they wished to believe

Notice,

"By accepting association with the DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations..."

"The NGOs officially recognized by DPI cooperate with the United Nations to help build public understanding and support for United Nations programmes and goals."

The first quote is an excerpt from a letter from Paul Hoeffel, Chief of the UN DPI-NGO Section. He is speaking specifically about the WTS and says that they agreed to support the principles of the UN Charter.

The second quote is from a 1992 press release, the year the wts signed on with the UN.

Couple this with the pro-UN articles appearing in WT rags for the past ten years. There is no question the WTS was lending support to the United Nations - even if that support was only lip service.

So is it ok to bow down to an idol if I don't really mean it?

so not divulging the truth in this matter was entirely consistent with their teaching. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work.

Joseph, I don't think anyone here is suggesting the wts was completely honest with the UN. We all know they were using or exploiting (as you say) the UN. And you're right that this is consistent with their teaching about being dishonest when it suits them. But this does not change the fact that the wts did agree to support the UN, and lived up to that commitment by running UN propaganda in their publications (and submitting samples of their articles to the UN).

Now all "theocratic warfare" aside, how can God's channel of communication be used as a channel of communication for the scarlet-colored wild beast? What jw believes Jehovah God would share his channel with the beast?

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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Watchtower Propaganda

by JosephAlward in

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friends

many have argued that articles in awake!

in recent years show that watchtower was letting itself be told what do by the purple beast, namely, promote the united nations in its writings.

i can understand how many might quickly find support for this claim, for there are, indeed, many articles in awake!

Trevor Scott

Mr. Skeptic,

You are so far away from the mark on this - perhaps you should stick to debunking the bible.

Rather than disseminating UN propaganda with "favorable articles," as Randall Watters and others have claimed, the Watchtower seems merely to be highlighting the United Nations' failures...
Those who are quick to claim that the articles are propaganda for the UN fail to see the truth, in my view; these articles are not propaganda for the UN; they're propaganda for the Watchtower.

If the WTS was not running "propaganda for the UN", then why does one of their articles appear on the UN Office of the High Commissioner website, as a commemorative article?

: http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm

Tell me, how does advertising UN International years comprise "propaganda for the Watchtower"?

: http://www.geocities.com/wts_lies/observances.htm

Does the Watchtower Society still point out the failures of the UN? Sure, why wouldn't they? The UN themselves do this. And the wts does still claim the UN is the scarlet-colored wild beast after all. If they can get away with doing this, while still living up to their responsibility to support and promote the beast, then they score twice, don't they?

The Watchtower was exploiting the UN, not helping it

Of course they were helping the UN. The wts had to submit regular samples of their work to the UN. Were these articles not helping the UN, the UN would have canned the wts as an associate NGO - as they do regularly when NGOs don't fulfil their obligations to support the UN.

Call it a "mutual usership". The UN used the WTS to spread UN propaganda; the WTS used the UN for whatever it is they wanted out of the deal - notoriety, legitimacy, UN airplane rides, whatever. In the end it all comes down to money anyway.

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

by josephus in

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well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

Trevor Scott

UncleBruce,

My point was pretty much the same as yours, that **Jehovah's Witnesses are just another stupid little american cult**

I find it funny when a jw argues that all other religions are false because of their doctrinal error, but the jws are right in spite of theirs. This argument always boils down to 'their lies are worse than ours'. Too funny.

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

by josephus in

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well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

Trevor Scott

Its different because those religions do not teach the basic truth. For example: Catholics teach the trinity, which is not biblical. That's just one example.

Translation, "that's different, because their lies are more worser than ours!".

Tell me, is this "basic bible truth" to which you refer:

"Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom done by the religious systems of Christendom during the centuries with that done by Jehovah's Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. They are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah's Witnesses is really "gospel," or "good news," as of God's heavenly kingdom that was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914." --The Watchtower, May 1 1981, page 17.

'Cause I don't remember any mention of "1914" in Paul's gospel, which he elucidated at 1 Cor 15:1-4 and 2 Tim 2:8.

However I do remember Paul saying that anyone preaching a gospel different from his would be "eternally condemned". (Gal 1:8)

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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The UN Requirements and how the WTS measured up

by sunscapes in

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http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/ngo-un/info/res-1296.htm .

the link above points to the economic and social council's resolution with regards as to consultative relations.

excerpts follow, afterward my comments: .

Trevor Scott

Despite the rantings of certain old hippies, there is ample evidence that the Watchtower Society was indeed living up to her responsibility to support the beast:

(All quotes from UN-DPI brochure, here: http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm)

For the past ten years, the wts has devoted a portion of their publications to the UN, "[disseminating] information about the UN to their membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the Organization at the grassroots level."

They have "[publicized] UN activities around the world on such issues as peace and security, economic and social development, human rights, humanitarian affairs and international law"; they have "[promoted] UN observances and international years established by the General Assembly to focus world attention on important issues facing humanity."

The Society even lived up to their responsibility to "keep the DPI/NGO Section abreast of their activities by regularly providing samples of their information materials relating to the work of the UN", as this link shows: http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm (note the second item in the list).

Since the leaders of this sham religion have professed ignorance of these responsibilities, one is left wondering just how these articles made it into the magazines in the first place, and even more so, just how it is that these articles were submitted to the UN!

I find it humorous that old hippies defense of the Watchtower Society (a.k.a. "the truth") amounts to, 'everyone else lied to the UN, so its ok that we did too'. Hey Hippie, read 1 John 2:21:

"I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth."

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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Ruminations on the Whole WTBTS Mess. Part 1.

by LoneWolf in

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hi, folks,.

hmmm.

ive bitten myself off a pretty good chunk here, so bear with me as i try to figure out where to start.. two things id better say up front, though: none of this is meant to be in any way, a devaluing of the phenomenal work thats been done by anyone here on the board.

Trevor Scott

LoneWolf,

You can drop me a line also; my email addy is open. Incidentally, I am only an hour or two north of Seattle, in Vancouver BC.

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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God's love to the rescue!

by Trevor Scott in

isn't that the un building getting a special blast of god's love?!?.

(link, here: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowerlies/wt011581cover.htm).

ts,.

Trevor Scott

Isn't that the UN Building getting a special blast of God's love?!?

(link, here: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowerlies/wt011581cover.htm)

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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Ruminations on the Whole WTBTS Mess. Part 1.

by LoneWolf in

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friends

hi, folks,.

hmmm.

ive bitten myself off a pretty good chunk here, so bear with me as i try to figure out where to start.. two things id better say up front, though: none of this is meant to be in any way, a devaluing of the phenomenal work thats been done by anyone here on the board.

Trevor Scott

It irritates me that the speaker whose name you forgot had the effrontery to suggest that a particular sister's death could have been avoided because it seemed to put the onus on the victims and the ones close to the situation to initiate a contact with the Society.

In my previous congregation there is a "brother" who is on the Hospital Liaison Committee. He once made essentially the very same comment – that a sister's death could have been avoided if she had just contacted the Society before she refused a life-saving blood transfusion. What insolence! This woman followed the party line to her grave. Her death and countless others be on the shoulders of those running this sham religion.

LoneWolf, I commend you for your post. I for one am committed to fighting this war.

TS,

Did the Watchtower Society "support" the scarlet beast of Revelation?
: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

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As if we needed more proof!

by Trevor Scott in

i wanted to move this awesome find by dino over here where it will remain on the front page for a while:.

check out the second entry under what was submitted for the un's approval.i hope this works!.

< http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm.

Trevor Scott

I wanted to move this awesome find by Dino over here where it will remain on the front page for a while:

Hi all! Check out the second entry under what was submitted for the UN's approval.I hope this works!
< http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm
Look at the second entry!!
HMMMM.
Dino

Original post, here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16337&site=3

This is an absolutely amazing find that I will be linking to from my site: http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

(Thanks Dino!)

TS,

15

Latest Awake!

by ballistic in

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have you seen the latest awake!?.

i'll be bringing out a few more issues.

any ideas?

Trevor Scott

In the '98 the words are "WILL THERE EVER BE HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALL?" I have only skimmed that article but to me it looks like it was written to keep the UN happy. It seemed to praise them. I would love to see scanned images of this article.

Fyi, scans of this Awake! are now up on Kent's site:

( http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=WO&Date=20011113&Category=JWANDSOCIETY&ArtNo=111130001&Ref=AR

I also set up a page discussing this magazine and others (including scanned images) which support the UN:

( http://www.geocities.com/watchtowersociety/beast.htm

TS,